If I may interrupt, time is short here.
We don't have a single agency. We have CSIS. We do have the RCMP. We do have the CSE. We have the bodies that are there and are supposed to be doing the job, but we seem to have—I'm hearing it from you and I'm hearing it from all sorts of people—lots of fearmongering, lots of saying that there's something going on, but there are all these grey zones. Where is the point at which they become bright lines?
You mentioned secrets being stolen by China. Well, if this is theft that's going on, surely that's a criminal activity, and either the laws are inadequate or the enforcement is. It's one or the other. We need advice from people like you, advice to say, “Okay, look, the laws are inadequate.” That's fine. The laws may be inadequate. Well, which laws are inadequate and what changes need to be made?
What is it that we have to say? On foreign influence, a lot of countries like to influence other countries, and their diasporas play a role in that. Where is the line between influence and criminal activity? Someone has to define that a lot better than we have right now. What is it that we're trying to prevent and what's to be expected by any nation?
I will ask Professor Ong a question after you answer that one.