I think you're absolutely right. I think the main distinction to be drawn between what is acceptable activity—in some cases it's diplomatic—and what is not is the issue of secrecy.
If another country is, through its agents, secretly trying to influence you or public servants or others, that falls into the rubric of foreign influence and foreign interference. If the Chinese embassy or the Chinese consul general in Vancouver is doing it openly, that's not so much of a problem.
The other issue is when they try to use threats about something that's happening either in Canada or in China. The difficulty there is that is very difficult to prove, because people feel threatened. We have to find a way to make people feel more comfortable coming forward and testifying. If they have family back in China who are being threatened, it's very difficult to expect people to do that.