Yes, I understand, but then we're talking about direct private equity investment, in which case the public pension funds here in Canada obviously are directly accountable. They can't explain it away by saying that these are indirect investments and that they bought a certain number of MSCI index funds but don't participate in the due diligence in the decisions as to what makes up the index or hedge funds. If they're placing private equity directly, they're directly responsible for that purchase of private equity.
It seems to me to be jarring. All I've heard from Bay Street and Wall Street over the last several years is ESG. Then I read these reports that Canadian and American investors have been snapping up private equity or publicly traded securities in firms that are associated with gross human rights violations. To me, it seems like a very discordant discussion we're having on investment in North America as it relates to human rights and environmental, social and governance issues.