Mr. Chair, I'll go back down memory lane here. I believe the report that Mr. Ellis is referring to is a document that was sponsored by CSIS but was produced by academics under Chatham House Rule. The conclusions about New Zealand were conclusions that were made public by CSIS through this academic report.
I remember those details, because, as you can imagine, New Zealand reacted to this report. However, I think it's fair to say that even back then, the academic community and the national security community in Canada and across a number of countries were indeed very worried about the PRC's activity. I believe I mentioned in this committee that one of the most significant moments of that change was when the PRC proactively, not even waiting for the final report of the international court on the jurisdiction of the sovereignty of the South China Sea, pre-emptively said that they would not respect the ruling. I think there were some moments, some of them public and some of them known through intelligence, when we started to see a shift. That shift is important, I think, to put it into perspective.
Madame Drouin said something that I think is very important. It is sometimes in our own national interest to collaborate with Chinese entities, but we need to do it with our eyes wide open and make sure that we protect our own base. I think this is why it's important; if it's good for Canada to collaborate because we can get something good out of it, we must do it, but we must do it while protecting the base.