Mr. Chair, my own specific awareness of these programs is quite low. They're not something I have to deal with in my day-to-day job anymore.
Certainly, going back in time to my time at the national microbiology lab, I had periodic engagements with an individual CSIS agent from the Winnipeg office where we were mutually developing a little bit of awareness. He would show me things that would come across the wire that were of interest or concern to them and then would ask for my reflections in terms of what they might mean. It often meant actually talking about and educating a little bit on the science of what they were looking at. I should clarify that in those meetings we weren't talking about anything specific at the NML. It was just their own process of, again, generating awareness in myself and some of the security pieces.
To my recollection, things like education on the talent management programs didn't actually occur until that August 2018 meeting, so I've had limited exposure in terms of analysis of those. I apologize to the member.