Mr. Chair, the red flags would have been the ones that amounted to the discussion with CSIS in August 2018. Some of those warning signs were the affiliation with Chinese institutes. There was frequent travel to China. There were the issues that were uncovered relating to visiting scientists who were not always supervised.
Those were issues very near the same time, which we were discussing within the management team, so when they were presented by CSIS in August 2018, I reciprocated that they were of growing concern to us.