Thank you, Mr. Chair.
One of the great advantages, I guess, of going last is that I get to listen to everybody else's questions. Now, having heard all the testimony so far, I regret not having been here in person to ask you these questions and then follow up with you off camera.
There was a mention in your opening statement about the culture at PHAC. It was raised repeatedly by other members that there's kind of a complacent culture in some of the non-security agencies regarding foreign interference and foreign campaigns by other governments to obtain data and information.
The feeling I get having heard all of the testimony so far, especially from officials and the health minister when he came before committee, is twofold. It's the Leslie Nielsen defence: The house is on fire, but there's nothing to see here, everything is good—that meme that exists online. The second one, when I was listening to some of the officials, the DSOs and above, as you've pointed out, was basically the Sir Humphrey Appleby defence: Many lessons were learned, and we won't do as badly next time.
How can a culture change if nobody's held accountable? I don't mean necessarily people being fired, but that there be demotions and fingers pointed very openly at individuals who should be held accountable for rules that weren't followed, or for complacency in the workplace. How can the culture change if nobody is held accountable? That's my question for you, sir.