Thank you very much. Thank you for this interesting discussion.
Mr. Kuhonta, I would like to follow up where Mr. Bergeron just left off.
It is a balance, isn't it, to support the building of democracy in countries that are perhaps not democracies, and how we do that with, as you said, a pragmatic approach?
You also spoke about people-to-people investment. You spoke about the importance of engaging CSOs and investing with universities. I know that we have a real fantastic ambassador with ASEAN, Ambassador Singmin, whom I've heard really wonderful things about.
What other pieces do you see? How does Canada do that? What recommendations do you have for us on how we can make sure that we are building those relationships and balancing the need to support and encourage democratic reform or democracy within the region with our trade relationships? I've often thought that Canada has a bit of a challenge and that we've gone too far towards prioritizing trade relationships at the expense of human rights and at the expense of democratic principles.
I'd love your continued thoughts on that, please.