Sure. I think they're very different. The CPTPP is an existing body that binds us to four of the ASEAN countries but obviously not to all of them. That's an ongoing mechanism and an ongoing body. The bar to enter that is extremely high, and many of the other ASEAN countries are not able to meet the conditions to join the CPTPP, so we need to start from somewhere.
Obviously, it would be desirable to get an agreement with ASEAN in place that covers all 10 of the ASEAN nations, particularly those such as the Philippines, Thailand and Indonesia and some of the smaller countries like Cambodia, where we do not have an agreement.
There's a bit of a strategy and a bit of a timing issue on both the bilateral with Indonesia and the agreement with ASEAN. I think we are headed to probably concluding the agreement with Indonesia first. It's easier, as you're dealing with one party rather than 10. The benefit to that is that the challenging chapters in the agreement will largely be the same as the ones that need to be negotiated at the ASEAN level, so they feed off one another quite well.
I do think we're headed for the Indonesian agreement to be done probably early next year. The initial target was the end of this year, but I think it'll be early next year, and hopefully ASEAN will follow—