It's very inspiring to me. I think people-to-people diplomacy, or what you call the second track of diplomacy, is the backbone of relations. You cannot have a political relation without people-to-people relations. It would be so weak and vacuous.
This people-to-people diplomacy or engagement has somehow been affected by the pandemic. If we look back only two or three years, you would be confused about exactly how much our people-to-people contact has changed. If we go back to before the pandemic, you would see that the number of tourists coming from Taiwan to Canada and vice versa was growing. This is a country that is so welcome and well-received in Taiwan. In Taiwan, it is very common for you to find that any family will have one member or friend of the family who has some connections in Canada. They have a relative, friend or classmate in Canada.
This is perhaps why even during the pandemic we had two ministers visiting Canada this year. One is our overseas community affairs minister. The other is our aboriginal affairs minister. Both of them deal with people-to-people relations, or popular affairs. It is not so much about talking about the issues of security or trade I mentioned. It's one indication telling you that people-to-people relations between our two countries are indeed very comprehensive and deep.