That's a very interesting point, and it relates to my second question, which is on the second track of diplomacy, as it is sometimes called, or the people-to-people ties that can sometimes strengthen relations.
Can you talk about that, and the linkages that exist in education and business? I also understand there's engagement happening between Canada and Taiwan on indigenous issues. I wonder if you could highlight that and give your view. To what extent could it help boost the intertwining of supply chains? You had a specific example there, but I think the second track of diplomacy is always helpful in advancing major goals.