Again, I think there's an awful lot we can learn.
I think our officials and our representative offices in Taiwan are exploring it. Again, I would recommend that members of Parliament, this committee, visit Taiwan and make that one of their stops. Certainly, my experience when I visited Taiwan was that they shared an awful lot, and I learned an awful lot.
I recently did the report with the defence advisory board. The Taiwanese were very forthcoming with the information and best practices that they were prepared to share. I know we have some good Canadian teams, groups, that are looking at cybersecurity, and they have learned from the Taiwanese example as well, because they've been subject to it.
Again, it's all a question of being under constant assault, as they have been for quite some time. In many ways the Chinese are the probably the best at it, even superior in some senses to the Russians. They seem to hire lots of very smart, young hackers, but the Chinese do this extremely professionally, as we have learned with intrusions, for example, into our grids and pipelines.