That is part of the conundrum. People are consuming less television, and the CBC is seeing fewer advertising dollars. That's happening right across Canada in the broadcasting industry. People are going to the Internet for their news, for their content, whether it is for streaming radio or video or for static news pages or updated news pages.
I think that's at the heart of the problem today; new media and traditional media are getting blurred together. And you can't really compartmentalize them in certain blocks. You can't say that this is television, this is radio, this is the web. The lines have totally blurred in terms of consumer preference and consumer behaviour.