Well, some stations were actually closed.
I think the disastrous decision that was being proposed by Mr. Rabinovitch to end the supper-hour news shows, which was turned back and ended up being half an hour but still cost the CBC an enormous amount in terms of audience and trust, was a direct result of trying to deal with funding cuts.
We've seen everything at the CBC, from public relations to the ability to build sets and designs. By the way, let me make one quick point here. I'm very sad to see the CBC completely abandon the in-house production of drama.
There's a culture that comes within public broadcasting that is different from private broadcasting. That culture can sometimes generate wonderful programming, and it is unique and different. It can sometimes generate some terrible stuff. Do you know what? The good and the bad are not different from the private sector. But if you get rid of it, we won't have a choice anymore.