I'd just like to add—I hate to keep going back to governance, but there's a governance issue here too—that the very fact that the board and the president and the chair are appointed by the government of the day does create a public perception of a broadcaster under the thumb of the government. And I think that's very important.
As a former CBC employee, I can tell you that I never felt the hot breath of the government on my back, and I never felt that I was constrained in any way. But there's a public perception that I think is very dangerous. And I think it's very important that the CBC be further isolated, be further removed from the government, through a better, more transparent appointment process.