I think it's so successful on the radio side just because it really speaks to a lot of issues and concerns that are important across the country.
I would challenge, with respect, your characterization of television. Television is not simply the supper hour program at six o'clock; television is The National, television is the fifth estate, television is CBC Newsworld. Television is a whole multitude of programs. I think, again, as I indicated in my opening remarks, that if one looks at audience levels, we're dealing with many television offerings that are more than competitive with our commercial rivals, and in many cases, in audience numbers, exceed them.
In terms of the CBC television experience with regional programming at the supper hour, that has been a challenge for the CBC for many years. I think as this committee realizes, there's an initiative called MyCBC, which is focused around Vancouver, where there's a real effort to build some sort of renewed connection with our audiences at six o'clock through CBC television, and that's something we're working on.
My gentle response would be for us not to focus on one time slot as the sole determinant as to whether CBC television matters to Canadians.