I'll make a general comment to try to address what you're bringing up. I've just come back from the Netherlands and a world music conference that was staged in Rotterdam. Many European, U.S., and Canadian organizers were gathered, at the expense of a music institute in the Netherlands. I think Canadians sit somewhere between the European and the American models in terms of what we support in culture. At the heart of this discussion around CBC is that we want a public broadcaster that is engaged with our community.
The music community that has evolved and matured over the last 50 or 70 years continues to need resources, and an Heritage Canada is providing those resources. Arts Presentation Canada, for example, is engaged in supporting the festival community, and is quite vigorously helping to bring culture to Canadians. I think the CBC is reflecting that.
In the last 20 years, Dominic and I have been witness to an evolution of popular music that did not really take place before that. The federal government has assisted in music education, conferences, and all kinds of steps that have been taken in recent years. Organizations like FACTOR, and other conferences, are really speaking to the maturity of a Canadian music identity that now needs the support of the broadcaster. There's been a history of it being mostly music at Radio 2, and the popular music community needs to be there too. That's what the CBC management has to work out.