If I could just follow up on what Derek said, there is a quasi-organization, of which I am a part and a former chairperson, called the Western Roots Artistic Directors, which is comprised of the artistic directors of some 20-odd folk festivals across the four western provinces and the Yukon and Northwest Territories. It's about to enter its tenth year in its loose existence, which tends to be a bunch of people going to a remote location for a weekend and just talking about what makes folk and world music tick. But a few years ago we did start collecting this sort of data. At this point it's still very nascent and it's not altogether scientific, but in terms of audience numbers and record sales and these types of things, it is being tracked by the festival organizations across western Canada and I think it will probably become a much bigger thing at the Ontario Council of Folk Festivals this fall. It's just something that the non-classical community has been slower on the uptake of, I think.
And in terms of answering your questions about consultations, we were consulted in Montreal, and I think this is going back a couple of years. We were at a conference in Montreal and they did bring together a bunch of us from RADD--Recording Artists, Actors and Athletes Against Drunk Driving--and asked us about this. From our point of view as a collective, it's great, because we're presenting to hundreds of thousands of people a year, but with artists who don't get any airplay, so for us this was a great idea. I attended a further consultation in Winnipeg probably two years ago, which was more at a grassroots level, with community cultural organizations being brought in and asked what their feelings were about radio.
So twice is the short answer.