On a point of order, Mr. Chair, with all due respect to Madame DeBellefeuille, I never in my presentation just earlier referred to any of this spending as superfluous. I very distinctly referred to these programs as programs that either had met their original objectives, had similar kinds of support and training available from other sources, or were using funds to manage the programs where there were extremely high over-budget operating costs.
I believe that every arts program is important, of course, as we all do. It's important to the Canadian culture and it's important to Canadian values. However, there are certain realistic tests that every program has to pass, and that's what this strategic review was designed for. So I believe the word “superfluous”, with all due respect, Madame DeBellefeuille, is not appropriate to describe my comments.