Yes. They're actual producing centres.
The most successful part of CBC, both French and English, is the local radio service. I think we're number one and number two in 12 out of 15 communities in Canada--the largest communities in Canada--in terms of our morning shows and our afternoon driving shows, shows like Andy Barrie's in Toronto, for example. And the reason is they focus on local issues.
So if you ask a person in Hamilton to listen to CBC Toronto, he's frustrated, and rightly so. This number one show in Toronto is number seven in Hamilton. We feel we're depriving Canadians of a service that has been proven—and our numbers have gone up dramatically over the years—to be something Canadians want. Yet there are eight million Canadians who can get only a repeat of somebody else's service.