Evidence of meeting #37 for Canadian Heritage in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was process.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Robert Waite  Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation
Frank Moceri  President, National Federation of Canadian Italian Business and Professional Associations
Pal Di Iulio  Chair, Italian-Canadian Advisory Committee
Roberto Perin  Vice-Chair, Italian-Canadian Advisory Committee
Salvatore Mariani  Immediate Past President, National Federation of Canadian Italian Business and Professional Associations
Joe Papa  Member, Italian-Canadian Advisory Committee

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to the 37th meeting of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, March 6, 2009, on Bill C-302, An Act to recognize the injustice that was done to persons of Italian origin through their “enemy alien” designation and internment during the Second World War, and to provide for restitution and promote education on Italian-Canadian history.

We're going to hear a short presentation from our witnesses from Canada Post and then we'll have one round of questioning. We're going to limit that to 20 minutes, if we can, so that we can move into the next session.

I'm going to ask Canada Post officials who are here this morning to introduce themselves, and I'm going to ask the second group of witnesses to announce themselves, too, because I'm not very good at Italian—no better than I am in French.

Canada Post, please go ahead.

11:40 a.m.

Robert Waite Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

My name is Robert Waite. I'm senior vice-president, corporate social responsibility, for Canada Post Corporation. I'm also the chair of the Canadian stamp advisory board. I'm joined here by Elia Anoia, who is manager of new products service and delivery. She's here to help me if I need any technical help, which is always possible.

Mr. Chairman, thank you for the invitation to appear here today. As chairman of Canada Post's Stamp Advisory Committee, I am very pleased to be here to outline Canada Post's stamp subject selection policy and to discuss stamps in general.

Canadian stamps are recognized internationally to be among the finest in the world. Canadian stamps have long been a source of pride for Canadians. Through our stamp program, we celebrate the remarkable heritage of our country, and we attempt to capture Canada and what it means to be Canadian and showcase that to the world. Canadian stamps celebrate and promote our history, our heroes, our leading personalities, and the achievements and passions of our people.

The selection of stamps is undertaken, like all operations at Canada Post, in a non-political manner and at arm's length from the government. Central to the stamp selection process is an invitation to all Canadians to participate through their suggestions for subjects to illustrate our stamps.

Every year, Canada Post receives between 500 and 600 different suggestions for subjects or events to be celebrated by a stamp or commemorative envelope. Only approximately 20 of the suggested subjects will eventually be honoured by a Canadian stamp and only two or three by a commemorative envelope. The Canada Post Board of Directors approves the annual stamp program on the recommendation of this national Stamp Advisory Committee.

Most countries have such a stamp advisory committee. Ours is formed of knowledgeable Canadians from across the country, selected for their historic, design, or philatelic knowledge. The committee was first established in 1969 to help guide the selection of Canadian stamps. Its composition reflects English-speaking and French-speaking populations, as well as the regional and ethnic diversity of the country.

The Stamp Advisory Committee evaluates suggestions for stamps using the following criteria.

First, the topics should appeal to broad segments of the Canadian population and encourage Canadians of all ages to buy and collect stamps.

Next, they should relate primarily to Canada and be of national significance. For example, they should evoke Canadian history, traditions, accomplishments, or natural heritage, or illustrate the social, cultural, political, or economic life of the country.

Often they commemorate people, their work, their birth, or an event in their lives. In this way, their outstanding contributions to Canada are recognized and celebrated.

The committee also favours stamps that enhance the high regard for Canadian stamps and Canada in national and international philatelic circles. In addition, Canada Post makes every effort to maintain regional and cultural balance in selecting subjects and designs so that stamps appropriately reflect all aspects of our nation.

I've brought with me copies of the 2009 and 2010 stamp programs to allow you to see examples of selected topics. Particularly popular ones include Canadian recording artists, our recent Remembrance Day stamp, and the 100th anniversary stamp for the Montreal Canadiens. Other significant and notable stamps include a stamp celebrating the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Winter Games and the 100th anniversary of the Canadian Navy.

The stamp selection process is a lengthy one. It involves a thorough review of hundreds of suggestions received. Once a topic is selected, time is needed for researching, designing, producing, and promoting these stamps.

Accordingly, we tell those who wish to propose stamp subjects that, at a minimum, they should submit their suggestions two years before the beginning of the desired year of issue. This is a very important consideration for those suggesting subjects related to anniversaries or any other time-sensitive events.

Suggestions for stamps come from a wide variety of proposers, which reflects the vast diversity of interests in the country. We have received a number of stamp suggestions related to past treatment of various ethnic groups, for example.

In regard to the topic at hand, the stamp provision of Bill C-302 let us look back at the context of World War II. At that time, a number of groups were subject to internment, including German Canadians, Italian Canadians, and Japanese Canadians, among others. Most recently, Ukrainian and Croatian Canadians have sent us similar types of stamp requests.

To date, and after careful consideration, the stamp advisory committee has not recommended any of these topics for inclusion in the program.

I would invite members to read the stamp subject selection policy brochure, which I have here with me and will circulate at the conclusion. I would also like to reinforce the fact that Canada Post is open to all suggestions for stamp topics and will diligently consider them when submitted.

Again, let me say thank you for having me here today to explain a program that is a tremendous source of pride for Canada Post and, I believe, for all Canadians.

I stand available for any questions that committee members may have.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Thank you.

Our first question will be from Mr. Rodriguez, please.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to the witnesses for being here.

Good morning. It is a little strange to begin the meeting with you, because the bill is much bigger and only one small section deals with creating a commemorative stamp.

As you have read, Bill C-302, An Act to recognize the injustice that was done to persons of Italian origin through their “enemy alien” designation and internment during the Second World War, and to provide for restitution and promote education on Italian-Canadian history is a large bill.

We are presently dealing with one very specific element of the bill, that you have surely read in the final paragraph. It asks that:

5. The Minister of National Revenue shall instruct the Canada Post Corporation to issue a stamp or set of stamps to commemorate the internment of persons of Italian origin during the Second World War.

If this bill is passed, with that provision in it, can someone in the government give an instruction like that requiring Canada Post to issue the stamp?

11:45 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

There could, but I would say, though, that in the history of the Canada Post Corporation there have only been two directives, and neither of them has related to stamp subjects. As I mentioned in my opening remarks, the selection of stamp subjects has been traditionally—and this goes back decades—at arm's length from the government. So I guess my short answer is that it would be highly unprecedented, but it is possible.

If the bill does pass, clearly the committee would take note of that, but it would be in the context of any other suggestion that we would get from any member of the public. We do that with regard to suggestions from members of Parliament. They certainly get attention, but they do--

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

But you would see this as a suggestion, not an order or request.

If the bill passes, it's quite precise, in that it says, “The Minister of National Revenue shall instruct the Canada Post Corporation to issue a stamp...”.

11:45 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

It's a little confusing to me because that's actually not our minister. We report to a different ministry.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Who's your minister?

11:45 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

We report directly to Mr. Merrifield, and Mr. Baird ultimately is our minister.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Okay. That's the transport ministry.

11:45 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

In Mr. McCallum's day—and I see Mr. McCallum here—it did report into a different ministry, but there have been changes since then.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Those were the good old days. He was a great minister.

But tell me, what happens if the bill passes?

11:45 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

The committee would take note of it. I'm not a lawyer, but I would not necessarily see that as a legislative directive. Typically--

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

So not necessarily, but it could be; it would have to be defined.

11:50 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

One of the other things I would point out is that there seems to be a sense that this would not have economic impact on Canada Post. Producing a stamp actually does cost money. It's anywhere from $130,000 to $200,000 to produce a stamp.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

So what would be your suggestion to members of the Italian community who want to have this stamp--to go to the committee and submit a normal request?

11:50 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

Yes. They'd write a letter directly to me as the chairman of the committee, as many other groups do, and the staff would take it under advisement, do research, and make a recommendation to the committee. Then it would move from there.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Excuse me, sir, but you're telling me that you would take note of a law of the land and being instructed and not having to follow the law.... Is that what you're saying?

11:50 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

I'm saying I would seek legal advice as to what I should do. I find the precedent of legislated issuance of stamps unusual. I'm not aware of whether that would happen in many jurisdictions.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

So if this passes, you would seek counsel and you may want to challenge the law?

11:50 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

That would not be my—

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Go to court?

11:50 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

—decision. That would be a decision taken—

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

But that's something you would consider?

11:50 a.m.

Senior Vice-President, Corporate Social Responsibility, Canada Post Corporation

Robert Waite

—by management and our board.

Again, it's an unprecedented request.