Evidence of meeting #20 for Canadian Heritage in the 40th Parliament, 3rd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was program.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Richard Dicerni  Deputy Minister, Department of Industry
Marie-Josée Thivierge  Assistant Deputy Minister, Small Business and Marketplace Services, Department of Industry Canada

11:45 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

I am going to ask my colleagues to do a count. A lot of projects that were funded last year are not being funded this year. In addition, a number of them that were not funded the first year were funded the next year.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

There are more of the latter, I assume.

11:45 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

Yes, because...

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Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

But they are receiving smaller amounts, since the total amount is lower, is that right?

11:45 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

That is correct, in part. However, the average is the same, about $1 million. If we count the projects...

11:45 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Small Business and Marketplace Services, Department of Industry Canada

Marie-Josée Thivierge

There are 47, for a total of about $39 million.

11:45 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

That's about right.

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Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Ms. Dhalla and Mr. Simms, you're splitting some time here, I think.

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

Thank you very much for coming.

I want to pick up on a point that my colleague had raised. In terms of the minister's approval, a review of applications, how many applications does he personally take a look at?

11:45 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

Those that we had scrubbed, that we had identified as being eligible both in terms of project eligibility as well as the activities within those projects.

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

So how many projects would that be?

11:45 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

This year it worked out to, I believe, 88.

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

Eighty-eight projects. Now when he is given those 88 projects, given all the expertise and so forth in the department, are suggestions made by anyone else on that list of 88 projects as to whether or not they should or should not be approved?

11:45 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

With this program this year, we took the same approach as we had with the other economic action plan program in the department, which was the knowledge infrastructure program, where we scrubbed, we analyzed, and then presented these projects to ministers as being worthy of consideration.

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

So all 88 projects are worthy of consideration.

11:50 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

Out of the 88 projects, what is the percentage that the minister approves?

11:50 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

This year, 47 projects.

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

So the other remaining projects—

11:50 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

They were not approved.

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

—were not approved. Does the minister provide an explanation as to why those other projects are not approved?

11:50 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

As was the case with some of the other economic action plan programs and initiatives, some were accepted and some were not. Given that there were many more projects requesting much more money than was available, those were the 47 projects deemed to be worthy of government support.

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

So 41 projects, almost 50% of the projects that were put forward to the minister, were not approved.

11:50 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

That's correct.