Mr. McKie, in terms of how we find solutions, you had suggested that they had found the cost to an ISP would really be in the range of 20 euros. I don't know anybody around this table who would go up politically and say that we want to slap an ISP with a 20-euro thing. That solution would be dead.
The other solution would be three strikes. Now, I know there are people who like that, but I don't know if any of my colleagues want to go out and say that they're going to cut off some family's Internet after three strikes. That, to me, seems like it's problematic. We've seen the RIAA solution, which had 35,000-plus lawsuits. Some of them were spectacularly disastrous. How much more could you make people hate record companies than those lawsuits?
Then we have to start finding revenue streams. That seems to me a solution to this. There are little revenue streams here and maybe elsewhere. I'm interested in the private copying levy. I know CRIA has been against it; they think it supports illegal downloading. We don't believe that. We believe it's one badly needed revenue stream when other revenue streams seem have to dried up.
You're supporting the private copying levy. Have you talked with CRIA about how to bring them back onside in support of the private copying levy?