Thank you, Chair.
Thank you, Mr. Geist. It's good to see you again.
You and I have a similar pattern of trying to deal with this issue. You obviously are far more knowledgeable than I am, but we both have this habit of not only watching the content our children look at but of seeing how they look at that content.
I've a 15-year-old son. I've said time and time again in this committee and others that you can put in place legislation that cuts down on circumvention. It'll take about a year to do it. It'll take my son about 48 hours to get around it.
I've always been a fan of a point you made earlier: this is illustrative, not exhaustive. Are we going in that direction in the sense that the legislation we put in there mirrors what is happening right now in Europe? It says, look, these are the guidelines by which copyright is enforced. They create a more flexible system that not only, obviously, protects people's copyright but also allows fair dealing and allows people access so that they can further create beyond that.
How do Bill C-60 and Bill C-61 not do that, and how should we go towards that more flexible type? I completely agree with you on the WIPO treaty stuff. We're way behind, and it's a game of catch-up.