They are two completely different stories, Mr. Chairman, and I need one minute to do this quickly.
The Access to Information Act is built in two different pieces. The first part of the Access to Information Act is about who is subject to the act. It has certain exemptions--the information that you put out, and then you decide what you retract. There is no mention of CBC/Radio-Canada in there. You have to go to section 68.1, and I'll be referring to section 68.1 many times if we come back to this. This is the issue and the paragraph under which we're in front of the court.
It says:
This Act does not apply to any information that is under the control of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation that relates to its journalistic, creative or programming activities, other than information that relates to its general administration.
So the act has a clear exclusion--not an exemption, an exclusion--for information that is considered to be journalistic, creative, or programming in nature.
And it's pretty obvious that the legislator here—because one of the first rules when you interpret a statute is that the legislator doesn't speak for no purpose—did not use superfluous words. We have an exclusion in section 68.1, and that is the subject of our conversation in front of the court: what is the ambit and the scope of section of 68.1? It goes to our journalistic sources. It goes to things that we believe in. We think that nobody but us should control that.