Right, because they knowingly.... I don't think it's quite the same, but I agree that it's an instance where that has occurred. But I would argue....
There are a couple of things. Also, on statutory damages, for commercial infringement there is no limitation for statutory damages. In fact, it's much, much higher. It doesn't start at $5,000, is what I'm saying.
This is private. This is for individuals for statutory damages. But I think $5,000 is a lot of money. We can debate whether it should be more. Some groups have come forward, including industry associations, and have said that statutory damages can in fact start at a much lower level than this and they think it's important that we establish statutory damages. What I would argue is that the main groups--