Well, the expectations are clear. They're in the Federal Accountability Act. I don't want to speak for them because they can speak for themselves. I don't want to misrepresent their defence of why they are where they are. The first one is an obvious one, and it's absolutely legitimate, which is to say that there has to be a boundary between journalistic privacy and so on, and what is and isn't public. There's that defence.
Then there's another one, of course, which is, to be blunt, that it's on TV. They have competitors who are doing a great number of access to information requests that are just overflowing the system, from their perspective.
They have to realize, though, CBC has to realize—and I think they do, I'm not criticizing them—that they are not a publicly funded competitor to the private sector. Their mandate is different. Their expectations are different. The social contract that exists between CBC and the country is different.
I'm not quite sure what you're referring to when you talk about trade secrets and that sort of stuff.
It's tough. This is a hard thing to follow—