On a per capita basis, they do a little better than we do, but we're doing much better than we used to. There are analyses of how we give provincially. We are doing better. The Americans are still better at it than we are, but they've had a similar decline. The effect of the economy on charitable giving in the United States has been even stronger.
I know, Mr. Young, you were on that loaned executive program with the United Way. It is a very rewarding program. In my time, when I was vice-president of financial development at the Y in Toronto, one of my responsibilities was to liaise with the United Way. We were a United Way agency. We had only 5% of our funds from the United Way. I used to spend a lot of time working with loaned executives in helping them understand how the agency I worked for delivered services. It's a very important program.