I probably speak to any of our museum presidents, including Mr. O'Neill, every month. Maybe once a month. There's no difference between Mr. O'Neill and the heads of any other of our organizations.
Second, on this issue of secrecy, this is such a secret plan that I shared it with my heritage critic from the NDP. This is such a secret plan that I shared it with the leader of the Green Party. It's such a secret plan that I told Scott. It's such a secret plan, I told Jean Chrétien. My God, it's such a secret plan, I shared it with the former board chairs. It's such a secret plan, I was very proud of it and talked about it across this country over the past nine months since we announced this plan. With regard to Mr. Bureau, I had the same conversation—