That is an element of the problem. There's a large focus on finding the individuals who have industry expertise, and in particular, who have had CEO industry expertise.
If you focus on that, you immediately reduce the number of potential candidates, but if you instead look at people with senior management expertise and at other industries where there might be transferable skills, you can increase the diversity on the board of the organization. In some of those industries—mining, forestry, and oil and gas—we haven't seen enough of that happening, whereas utilities and real estate tend to do a little better.