I've just been reminded that it's not a government bill. This is a private member's bill that is coming forward, so in that sense it's not a government bill. At the same time, the principle of good public policy is that it does engage those people who it's going to impact most, the people who have a vested interest in it and want to see it.
That's what I'm trying to get to, because so often the processes do not adequately engage people in a meaningful way so that they feel they've been heard and policy-makers or decision-makers are well informed. That's a frustration that I think all of us have in terms of being able to get that visceral emotive sense of how this impact.... You've started to give some of that to us, but I don't want to go through this process and find, my gosh, there's something else we should have done.
I spend a lot of time studying public engagement processes around the world. I don't think there are any fantastic ones, but certainly there are some that are a lot better than others. That's what I was struggling with. What is it that we can do? If you were sitting here, what would you say should be done? How would you do that?