Evidence of meeting #82 for Canadian Heritage in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was discrimination.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Don Hutchinson  Author, As an Individual
Cecil Roach  Coordinating Superintendent of Education, Equity and Community Services, York Region District School Board
Shahid Akhtar  Co-Chair, Canadian Association of Jews and Muslims
Barbara Landau  Co-chair, Canadian Association of Jews and Muslims
Chief Perry Bellegarde  National Chief, Assembly of First Nations

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Co-chair, Canadian Association of Jews and Muslims

Barbara Landau

Okay.

We need to focus on improved education about each other's history, culture, and sensitivities, starting at an early age.

Number two is the definition of Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. There are recognized international and Canadian definitions that I've supplied in the materials. What I start with is that each group should propose its preferred definition and label, not have the label chosen by another group as this feels disrespectful.

Regarding Bill 62 in Quebec—Shahid mentioned that bill—while Quebec wants to preserve its distinct identity, the negative impact on the lives of a small number of religious Muslim women is of greater concern than any real threat to Quebec's identity.

The multiculturalism committee should introduce educational programs to reduce unreasonable fears. I want to mention the BDS, bomb threats, and exclusion of Jewish university students on campuses in Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec. They certainly raise concerns as does the issue in Alberta of the Catholic school board's refusal to teach a public sex education and gender-identity curriculum, despite the evidence of the marginalization and discrimination against LGBT students.

There are specific recommendations that we've made under the headings of “Prevention”, “Partnership”, and “Protection”. They are in my materials.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Ms. Landau, they're in your material, but again there may be opportunities during the questions—

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Co-chair, Canadian Association of Jews and Muslims

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

—for you to plug it in somewhere.

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Co-chair, Canadian Association of Jews and Muslims

Barbara Landau

I want to thank you for inviting us to speak.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Not at all. Thank you, Ms. Landau.

Now I go to the Assembly of First Nations.

Grand Chief Bellegarde and Jed Johns, you have 10 minutes. Since you're not sharing, I'll give you a two-minute warning.

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National Chief Perry Bellegarde National Chief, Assembly of First Nations

Thank you, Madam Chair.

[Witness speaks in Cree]

All my friends and relatives, I'm happy to be here, thanking the Algonquins on their unceded traditional territory lands.

[Witness speaks in Cree]

I am from a small reserve called Little Black Bear in southern Saskatchewan, Treaty 4 territory, and we're Cree Nakota back home.

It's a big honour to be here today to talk about racism and discrimination. I say good afternoon to you all.

We always talk about acknowledging people as friends and relatives, as indigenous peoples. I want to share our world view with you. In our world view, when it comes to racism and discrimination, we don't see colour. In our world view—and I want share this with you because it's very important—when we go to ceremony, we don't see black people, white people, yellow people, or red people. We're the two-legged tribe.

When we go to ceremony, we acknowledge, of course, the Creator—

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Liberal

Pierre Breton Liberal Shefford, QC

Excuse me, Madam Chair, there is a problem with the translation.

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National Chief, Assembly of First Nations

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

No. We will just suspend for a minute. You haven't lost your time.

It's good now. We'll begin again.

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National Chief, Assembly of First Nations

National Chief Perry Bellegarde

I speak a bit of French.

Let the timer know I get another two minutes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm the timer. You have it.

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National Chief, Assembly of First Nations

National Chief Perry Bellegarde

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Our world view, I want to explain very quickly, is that we're all connected as relatives and friends. We don't see colour. We're the two-legged tribe. When we go to ceremony, of course, we acknowledge the higher being, the power, and we acknowledge father sky, mother earth, grandmother moon, grandfather sun, and our relatives as star peoples. We acknowledge one in the east, the south, the west, north; there are spirit beings there. But we also acknowledge our relatives, the four-legged ones, the ones that fly, swim, or crawl, and the male and female plants.

I'll share our world view quickly. When we say, “All my relatives, all my friends”, I'm acknowledging you all as two-leggeds but I also acknowledge what I just acknowledged. That's our world view. I believe if the whole world can adopt that view, public and private sectors, we would be free of racism and discrimination, because we're all part of that family and we're all connected in that bigger world of life. I begin with that.

Our Assembly of First Nations comprises 634 first nations across Canada, 58 different nations and tribes, approximately 1.4 million people, 50% on reserve and 50% off reserve. Those are big numbers, but our AFN has been around for many years, always pushing for social justice and equality and equity for all of our peoples. For more than 50 years now, we have been doing that. We also welcome partners and allies who also work with us diligently and steadfastly for the same principles that I espoused. This committee is studying how to undertake a government-wide approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination. We know, as first nations people, that we have experienced that many times over.

I'll go just quickly by sector. Within the justice sector we see things like Angela Cardinal—she's a victim of an assault—sharing a bus with her aggressor. That's in the justice system. We see Anthony Peter-Paul even being denied a smudging ceremony in Saint John. That's not recognition of our system of trying to get connected. In Saskatoon in the 1990s there were the “twilight tours”. What I mean by that is the Saskatoon Police Service taking first nations men outside the city and making them walk back in minus 30 and 40 degree weather, which resulted in the Stonechild inquiry in Saskatchewan.

We see the policing services that are under question when it comes to missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. What are you hearing from the families? The policing services have to be reviewed, because when it comes to our peoples, they are not applying the same kinds of resources to research, to investigate, and then the communication piece is not back to the families. The policing services have to be reviewed, no question. Then there are the numbers: 4.5% of the population of Canada is first nations people but the jails are full, so we have a disproportionate number of our people in that system.

Also looking at policing services in our reserve communities, they are not deemed as essential services—policing is not even deemed as an essential service. Within that system of justice and even on the larger piece when it comes to the Constitution, part 1 dealing with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, part 2 dealing with section 35, we question that. Why is it that our rights are frozen in time, that they are not the living tree that should be brought up to date as well, but everybody else's rights are? They don't evolve.

Am I supposed to exercise my treaty right to hunt with a bow and arrow? They don't evolve, but everybody else's rights do. It's almost as if they are contingent rights, so within that whole system of justice, overhaul has to be done.

In education, for on-reserve kindergarten to grade 12, we get $6,500 per child for tuition, yet in provincial school systems it's double that, $12,000 or $13,000. In French school systems, it's $20,000 per child. That's a big variance, a big gap. Even in the universities, how many first nation people.... What is this thing called tenure, a tenure track? For first nations people, how many people really get tenure in that system? We can talk about that, but still in the education system it's there. You can break it down kindergarten to grade 12, or you can break it down to universities and tech, both systems.

In the health care system, holy smokes, we can spend a lot of time giving examples. In Winnipeg, Brian Sinclair died waiting for 34 hours for health care services. This is the modern day and it's in a big city. Then in the north, it's like a two-tiered health system for our people. There are no hospitals or qualified doctors in a lot of instances. It's a two-tiered health system in the north. In northern Manitoba and northern Ontario, there is a two-tiered health system. There's no access to these services.

We can go on and on.

Then on the social side, we know the discrimination in the child welfare system. We know it and we see it. The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal says that there are still inequities when it comes to children. Even the funding model for child welfare is flawed because it doesn't kick in until our kids are apprehended. That's when it starts. The whole funding model is flawed. This whole system, when it comes to child welfare, is hugely flawed. There are huge racism and discrimination pieces in there.

Now that we've outlined that, how do we fix it? What do we need to do?

We go back now to recommendations. We talk about reconciliation and how important it is. We're all talking about reconciliation now in Canada to fix these things. One of the most important ways is for the full adoption and implementation of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. That, to us, is a road map to reconciliation. It's a road map to ending discrimination and racism in this country and throughout the world. That's one piece.

We talk about the tools to eradicate all these things. There are two doctrines, the doctrine of discovery and the doctrine of terra nullius. They're fast becoming viewed as illegal, racist doctrines, not only in Canada but throughout the world. That's very important because that's going to affect everything when it comes to land, resources, and territories. Get comfortable with this concept of assumed crown sovereignty and assumed crown jurisdiction, because it results from those two doctrines.

At the heart of the UN declaration is recognition of our status as peoples and nations in the global human family. Every provision in the declaration must be interpreted “in accordance with the principles of justice, democracy, respect for human rights, equality, non-discrimination, good governance and good faith”.

I ask this committee to support things we're working on.

I ask the committee to support the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls, and to implement all the recommendations that will be forthcoming.

I ask the committee to support the implementation of all 94 calls to action of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

I ask the committee to make sure there are proper investments in K-to-12 and post-secondary education.

I ask the committee to work with us on developing a new fiscal framework in Canada, so there's long-term, sustainable, predictable funding for first nations.

I ask the committee to work with us on this law and policy review. All the laws that are racist and still discriminatory have to be brought in line with article 35 in the UN declaration. They have to be fixed. We have to have a process for the law review and the policies. Comprehensive claims, specific claims, additions to reserve, the inherent right to self-government, all have to be fixed because they're based on termination of rights, not recognition of rights and title. I ask you all to support that work.

Implementation of treaties according to spirit and intent is very important. They are treaty relations with the crown, because that treaty relationship was based on sharing the land and resource wealth, not cede, surrender, or relinquish. We have a lot of work to do.

We need to get more first nations people on decision-making boards and authorities, the Supreme Court of Canada, the National Energy Board, boards of governors, CEOs, you name it, wherever these decisions are made, it has to happen.

I know I'm running out of time, and I'll cover some in questions, and we'll take it from there.

Ekosi.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

You have 30 seconds, if you want to continue.

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National Chief, Assembly of First Nations

National Chief Perry Bellegarde

I had four or five points.

We have to overhaul the justice system, and work towards restorative justice systems instead of punitive justice systems. What does that look like? There are many facets that have to be looked at.

There are two pieces of legislation we want to get done. One is on indigenous languages, an indigenous language revitalization act. That's an investment in human capital. The fastest-growing segment of Canada's population is young first nations men and women. You need to know who you are and who you come from. Studies have shown when you're fluent, you're more successful in school, and therefore, more successful in life. Language is key.

Then the UN declaration and that reconciliation framework is all part of that.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you so much. We will flesh things out in the questions and answers.

The first questioner for seven minutes will be Ms. Dhillon for the Liberals.

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Liberal

Anju Dhillon Liberal Dorval—Lachine—LaSalle, QC

Good afternoon, welcome to all of you today, and thank you for coming to testify before us.

I'll start with the Canadian Association of Jews and Muslims. I would like to commend your organization for working together as two communities under one umbrella. It's unique.

My first question is for Mr. Akhtar. You didn't get to finish your second point, so if you would like to finish that, go ahead.

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Co-Chair, Canadian Association of Jews and Muslims

Shahid Akhtar

Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity. One of the second points was that Islamophobia and anti-Semitism are two sides of the same coin. We have this habit of trying to isolate them as two different things.

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Liberal

Anju Dhillon Liberal Dorval—Lachine—LaSalle, QC

Right.

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Co-Chair, Canadian Association of Jews and Muslims

Shahid Akhtar

What that does is it, inadvertently perhaps, creates resentment in the group that is not addressed. Any time, in any discourse, when you talk about religious discrimination, and you talk about anti-Semitism and Islamophobia, they should actually be uttered together in the same sentence, in the same breath, because it is exactly the same thing.

Don't go on technicalities of definitions because if you do that then anti-Semitism.... Do you know what that means? It means prejudice against Semites. Who are the Semites? They are Saudi Arabian, Palestinians, Jordanians. Those are the Semites, so don't become a prisoner of those technical, dictionary meanings. Go by what actually has an impact. Talk about people who are suffering. If Jews are suffering and they want to call it anti-Semitism, accept that. If Muslims are suffering and they want to call it Islamophobia, accept that, but do something where you can take away the root cause of that.

My point also was, Madam Chair, if you don't move fast enough on this, what is going to happen is I'm really afraid, and Jews and Muslims are afraid, that we will be creating an environment like to the south of us, which Donald Trump's election has done. It has emboldened people who have exactly the same sentiments but were hiding. Now they've come out and pro-Nazi and white supremacists march. That is quite likely to happen in Canada as well, unless your committee, your Parliament, your government does something.

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Liberal

Anju Dhillon Liberal Dorval—Lachine—LaSalle, QC

Thank you. You echoed similar thoughts to Mr. Roach, one of our previous witnesses.

I will ask you the following question, and I will divide the time with Mr. Bellegarde. Between the two of you, do you have any recommendations to us for our system in Canada?

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Co-chair, Canadian Association of Jews and Muslims

Barbara Landau

I'd like to take that one.

I would like to see the re-establishment of a multiculturalism funding program, with federal-provincial representation, to encourage anti-racism education by convening a national symposium to share best practices and curriculum materials for educating youth and law enforcement officials about diversity in race, culture, religion, sexual identity, and gender issues. I think it could also be a vehicle for first nations. It could be used for both, for all of the discrimination.

Another recommendation is partnership. We've spent more than 20 years bringing communities together, and we've done it successfully in so many different ways—we've included that in the materials—ways to get to know each other, ways to have an understanding of each other as human beings and of our cultural practices, and demystify and anti-stereotype each other. Certainly, our Jewish community has reached out to first nations, as well, and has made that a priority among the Reform Jewish community. We could talk more about that later.

As to protection, a combination of education, clear legislation, and tools such as restorative justice processes, which I totally encourage, for those who accept responsibility and are willing to redress their wrongs, and clear penalties for those who are unrepentant. We need data collection, as the previous.... Was it Cecil Roach speaking?

Victims of hatred and prejudice should have a coordinated government body dedicated to collecting data, and a confidential reporting system for complaints. Hate crimes legislation needs to ensure a strong response to speech and actions that cross the line.

Again, I think the co-operation between a multiculturalism committee and the provinces would be a vehicle to do that.

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Liberal

Anju Dhillon Liberal Dorval—Lachine—LaSalle, QC

Thank you.

Mr. Bellegarde, could you please continue with your recommendations. I think you ran out of time.

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National Chief, Assembly of First Nations

National Chief Perry Bellegarde

Sure.

I think education and awareness leads to understanding and leads to action. The education school systems across Canada.... I know this is a federal one, but lobby the provincial premiers and everyone across Canada to change the school curricula to teach about inherent rights, treaty rights, aboriginal rights, to teach about the residential schools and the history and the impact of residential schools, and the Indian Act. The curricula have to change. That's one big piece.

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Liberal

Anju Dhillon Liberal Dorval—Lachine—LaSalle, QC

The curriculum should include more education about the first nations.