Evidence of meeting #28 for Canadian Heritage in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
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2:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
I apologize, Ms. Harder, but this is a dilatory motion. I've already ruled on this several times.
2:15 p.m.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
—you cannot proceed to a vote when there are still hands raised.
2:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Ms. Dabrusin had her hand raised. She speaks before the other people who have their hands up. She called for an adjournment. It's a dilatory motion, which means we have to go to it immediately. I think we've all—
2:20 p.m.
Conservative
2:20 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
I'm seeking out the clerk, actually, to do a vote. That's what we're supposed to do with a dilatory motion.
Madam Clerk.
2:20 p.m.
The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Aimée Belmore
If you vote yea, the debate will adjourn on the motion of Ms. Harder. If you vote nay, then the discussion will continue on the motion of Ms. Harder.
2:20 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Ms. Harder, if you require, I can ask the clerk to do this one more time, if that's what you're asking. I'm trying to uphold the rules by which we govern ourselves at committee and in the House of Commons. This is a dilatory motion. This is where we have to go.
2:20 p.m.
Conservative
2:20 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Ms. Dabrusin just moved a motion, Ms. Harder, which means she goes first. Now, if this doesn't work, then the other hands will be recognized. It's fairly clear.
Madam Clerk, please go to the vote.
(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
2:20 p.m.
Liberal
2:20 p.m.
Bloc
Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC
Mr. Chair, I am very well aware that you have to put Ms. Dabrusin's dilatory motion to a vote. I also understand that, because that motion was introduced, my speaking time has been deferred. I feel that other members would also like to be part of the debate on Ms. Harder's motion. I actually had an amendment. If you want, you can check the order in which members raised their hands to speak, but I am almost convinced that I had my hand up first. If I had been able to speak, we could have debated the amendment I wanted to propose to Ms. Harder's motion. But I am not allowed to do that because you have given the floor to another member of the committee before me. I wanted at least to point out that I feel strongly that there has been an injustice in the committee's procedure today.
2:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Mr. Champoux, as you can see, on the right-hand side of your screen, it shows who put their hand up first. Whether there was a problem with the machine, I don't know. Ms. Dabrusin's name was there, and then it was yours. I have to go by what I see on the right-hand side of the screen.
I apologize if you feel that there's something nefarious involved here, but there surely wasn't. I go by what I see on the right side of the Zoom screen. This is duly noted, and I will make sure to follow it in the future.
Now we will go to Ms. Harder.
2:25 p.m.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
Mr. Chair, I would issue a challenge to your earlier ruling.
According to the procedures, a motion to adjourn debate can be issued only once every hand that has been raised with regard to that debate has been acknowledged and given the opportunity to speak.
2:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Ms. Harder, I have to stick with the ruling I made. It was a dilatory motion.
If you wish, I can confer with the clerks to seek clarification and assurances that what we're doing is right. I could do that.
2:25 p.m.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
I would, absolutely, wish for that because, according to the procedures I am reading on the House of Commons website, we cannot adjourn debate until every hand that has been raised has been acknowledged and those individuals have been given an opportunity to speak.
2:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Okay, Ms. Harder, I will seek the clarification you've asked for with the clerk. We will suspend for a very short two minutes.
2:25 p.m.
Conservative
2:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Don't forget, folks, please don't speak until I recognize you because it's hard enough for staff to do their jobs as it is. I'm just trying to make life easier for them.
We'll suspend for a minute. Please stand by.
2:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Okay, everyone, we're back.
Ms. Harder, concerning your issue about other people speaking, the clerk is going to read the particular part of the Standing Orders that clarifies what you're asking.
April 30th, 2021 / 2:25 p.m.
The Clerk
Thank you.
You might hear double, because I believe the phone is still on.
Page 1067 of Procedure and Practice reads, “A dilatory motion is a motion designed to dispose of the original question before the committee, either for the time being or permanently. Dilatory motions do not require notice, nor can they be amended or debated. They are therefore put to a vote immediately.” The main type of motion that is a dilatory motion would be, “That the debate be now adjourned”, which is what Ms. Dabrusin moved.
If the committee chooses to adjourn debate on the motion, then the question is closed for the time being. The committee can bring it back at whatever point it wishes to, but it's closed for the moment, and debate continues on to the next order of business.
2:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Thank you, Madam Clerk.
Now we go to C-10 for the day.
As mentioned earlier, we're going to talk about G-10. It's where we left off last time, if you recall.
Do I see Ms. Dabrusin raising her hand?
2:30 p.m.
Conservative
