As I just said, we have to look at all the cuts. We're talking about positions, of course, but we're also talking about spending on independent production.
For the CBC, we are proposing budget cuts of $25 million; for Radio-Canada, the figure is $15 million. That is a difference of about 20% for all cuts at CBC/Radio-Canada. There is a difference between the two.
If you want, Ms. Meloul—