Evidence of meeting #119 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Josh Dehaas  Counsel, Canadian Constitution Foundation
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Geneviève Desjardins
François Côté  Attorney and Doctor of Law, Droits collectifs Québec
Geoffrey Sigalet  Assistant Professor, As an Individual
Humera Jabir  Staff Lawyer, West Coast Legal Education and Action Fund

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Thank you.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Niki Ashton NDP Churchill—Keewatinook Aski, MB

Classic....

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I don't actually have it. I have an amendment proposed by Niki Ashton, but I do not have it within the context of the motion and therefore I would not be speaking to something in a contextualized manner. It needs to be inserted within the motion.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

It is my understanding that Ms. Ashton said it was after the words in the first line, “Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee” and then her amendment. Then you move on to “undertake a study”. The amendment is just put in there and inserted after “committee” and before “undertake”.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Thank you. I can appreciate that.

It is customary at this committee that we see the amendment inserted into the motion before we continue deliberation.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Niki Ashton NDP Churchill—Keewatinook Aski, MB

Madam Chair, we've all sat on numerous committees. This is the first time I've heard that it's customary. We've been pretty clear where it goes in the motion.

I feel that this is just another delay tactic from the Conservatives to not vote on a study on the rise of the far right.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

That's a valid point, Ms. Ashton.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

I have a point of order on this point of order.

I know that, in finance committee, we do see it in writing before we vote on it. This is not unreasonable.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you, Mr. Lawrence, for that information.

Shall we now speak to Ms. Ashton's amendment?

Ms. Ashton, you have the floor to speak to your amendment.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I have a point of order.

Madam Chair, I think what you're hearing from the members is that there's a concern as to what we're discussing. The context of this amendment is unclear.

Despite what Ms. Ashton claims, it has always been customary at this committee that we see the amendment inserted into the overall motion so that we have a clear understanding of exactly what we're debating.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

That's generic as always, Mrs. Thomas. I don't think that's quite true, but there you go.

Have you received the insertion? I think the clerk has sent it to you now.

Yes, she sent it to you it inserted in the exact spot that Ms. Ashton mentioned it would be.

Ms. Ashton, please continue.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Niki Ashton NDP Churchill—Keewatinook Aski, MB

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

I want to say that I'm truly dumbfounded by the delay tactics that we've seen from the Conservatives today on an issue as serious as studying the rise of the far right.

I also want to put on the record that we've all sat—

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Go ahead.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

It's late, and I'm sure we all have obligations in the coming minutes and hours, so I would like to remind you that our committee time is up.

I would ask that the meeting be adjourned because it's past 5:30 p.m.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Are you saying that we've gone past the time for this committee?

If you recall, the committee started quite late and had some delays because of microphone issues. I'm informed by the clerk—I checked before we got here—that we have until 5:55.

Thank you.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Madam Chair, I'm not done—

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Go ahead, Ms. Ashton, please.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Niki Ashton NDP Churchill—Keewatinook Aski, MB

Thank you very much.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Madam Chair, it's great that the clerk told you we can continue our meeting until 5:55 p.m., but our schedule says we—

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Can you start again, Mr. Gourde, please?

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

I just wanted to say that our schedules say we were supposed to finish at 5:30 p.m.

I have other obligations.

Other committee members may also have obligations after 5:30 p.m.

I would therefore like you to request unanimous consent to adjourn today's meeting.

If I have to leave, I'll have to find a replacement.

Our schedule said we'd be done at 5:30 p.m. I'm sure you understand.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I will ask the question of the committee.

Do I have unanimous consent or majority consent to adjourn this meeting?

5:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

No.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm hearing no from a lot of people.