Evidence of meeting #121 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was subamendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Geneviève Desjardins
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Blair McMurren  Director General, Strategic Policy and International Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage
Thomas Owen Ripley  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Isabelle Mondou  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Joëlle Montminy  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Perfect. Thank you, Madam Chair.

I think it is somewhat similar to Mr. Champoux's previous motion. It is looking to create greater accountability and greater transparency around the spending of taxpayer dollars. It's wanting to make sure that the financial performance, of course, is made known, but also it's the idea that there would be a list rather than just a summary of the cases.

With regard to Mr. Champoux's point, of course, this would help bring greater clarity and greater transparency. It would put things into a document that could be easily found and read.

Then, of course, there's the amount provided for each case. This was a recommendation that came forward from a number of witnesses who said that the court challenges program should provide a more detailed account of the cases that it funds and of the funds that are given to each of those cases. Again, this isn't known right now. There's a lot of secrecy around this. It's allowed to be in the dark.

I believe that there's an opportunity for the committee, then, to ensure that.... As the Prime Minister likes to claim, “sunshine is the best disinfectant”, so let's let the sun shine in and allow for there to be some transparency around the way dollars are allocated and to whom.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

The time being 5:40, I will suspend this meeting. Thank you.

I'm sorry, Mrs. Thomas. It's because we have no more resources and time.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Madam Chair, I understand that.

However, I would raise a point of order. If you suspend this meeting, it hijacks our agenda next week.

I would ask you to adjourn.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

That's what I was going to say.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Well, are you moving a motion to adjourn, Mrs. Thomas?

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I'm moving a motion to adjourn.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

All right, Mrs. Thomas is moving a motion to adjourn. I will call the question. There is no debate, obviously.

Does the majority seek to adjourn?

Yes, Mr. Noormohamed.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

I have a question.

I don't disagree with what Mrs. Thomas is saying at all. The problem is that you've now already suspended the meeting. I don't know quite how this works, mechanically.

We do have safe sport up at the next meeting. The question is.... You know, we have a timeline on this. We have safe sport, theoretically, at the next meeting. This is a real conundrum that we've gotten ourselves into.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Suspending the meeting does not mean that it ends. We always suspend meetings for people to talk. Obviously, we can go to the motion to adjourn.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

Okay, keep it suspended, then. That's fine. Never mind. I'm sorry.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

There is a motion to adjourn. I need a majority.

Everyone—

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

[Inaudible—Editor] suspend.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Yes, but that's you, Mr. Noormohamed. I need to hear from the other members of the committee whether they wish to adjourn or suspend. I'm not hearing from anybody.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Let's call—

5:40 p.m.

A voice

You've already suspended.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

She can un-suspend; she has that right.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I call the meeting back to order. We have a motion to adjourn.

Can I have a question on this, please?

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Let's do the vote. Then, if they don't win it, we can suspend.

Is that fair, guys?

May 23rd, 2024 / 5:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Let's just ask people to vote on adjournment.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Exactly.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

The motion to adjourn is on the floor. There is no debate.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

We want to adjourn.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Let us, please, just do the vote.

Is anybody opposed to adjourning the meeting?

Mr. Noormohamed. There is no debate. You're just opposed.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

I'm opposed to adjourning.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm going to call the question.

(Motion negatived: nays 7; yeas 4)

The motion to adjourn has been defeated. We will suspend until the next meeting.

Thank you.

[The meeting was suspended at 5:42 p.m., Thursday, May 23]

[The meeting resumed at 3:31 p.m., Thursday, May 30]