Canadian Heritage Committee on Sept. 18th, 2024

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

I call the meeting to order. The meeting is now in public. Please remember that.

I see Mr. Noormohamed's hand, and then Mr. Kurek's. Then, Mr. Jivani, was your hand up, or were you just pointing to somebody?

[Damien Kurek, Conservative, Battle River—Crowfoot, AB]

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Yes, Mr. Kurek, go ahead.

[Damien Kurek, Conservative, Battle River—Crowfoot, AB]

I believe, if I'm recalling—and of course we all just came back from the summer recess—that one still has the floor when moving from a meeting with a dilatory motion. It's my recollection of the rules, but I certainly look to the clerk to clarify that.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

I don't think so, but go ahead.

The bottom line is that you had the floor. Your motion was passed, so you're no longer discussing your motion, and so I think the floor is open.

Go ahead, Mr. Noormohamed.

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I move the following motion.

[Damien Kurek, Conservative, Battle River—Crowfoot, AB]

I have a point of order.

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

It's a motion for which I had given notice on May 7, 2024, and it reads as follows:

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study of no less than—

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

I'm sorry. Excuse me. I have a point of order.

[Damien Kurek, Conservative, Battle River—Crowfoot, AB]

It is just to challenge the decision to cede the floor.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

All right. The chair is being challenged. I shall call a vote on those who agree with the challenge or those who agree with the chair.

Go ahead.

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

Just to clarify, Madam Chair, if I vote no, it is to challenge. Just give us.... Let's make sure we're voting the correct way.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

If you vote with Mr. Kurek, who is challenging the chair, then you are agreeing with him. If you vote against Mr. Kurek, you are supporting the chair's decision.

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

Is voting no a vote to agree with the chair?

[The Clerk of the Committee, Ms. Danielle Widmer]

The question is, shall the decision of the chair be sustained?

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

I'm sorry, but you said, “Shall the decision of the chair be sustained?” Then that's a yes in support of the chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

It's a yes.

[The Clerk]

You vote yes if you agree to sustain the chair's decision. You vote no if you wish to overturn it.

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

Okay, so yes, I wish to sustain the decision of the chair—just so we're clear.

[The Clerk]

We are all on the same page.

(Ruling of the chair overturned: nays 6; yeas 5)

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

The chair's decision to not allow Mr. Kurek the floor and open up the meeting is not sustained, so we go ahead.

Mr. Kurek, you have the floor.

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Go ahead.

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

Mr. Kurek sought to challenge the chair, and that has happened. Under which Standing Order was that challenge made, and under which Standing Order specifically did Mr. Kurek seek to reference that in fact your ruling was inaccurate?

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

The bottom line is that the chair ruled, and he disagreed and challenged the chair. It's straightforward.

Mr. Coteau, go ahead.