Evidence of meeting #131 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was hate.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Isabelle Mondou  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Danielle Widmer

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We haven't voted on the amendment yet. We're still debating the amendment, not the motion.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Madam Chair, I have a point of order.

Again, you seem to be moving to a discussion about the amendment.

Can I ask you to maybe caucus with the clerk on whether or not we are discussing his order—

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Yes, we are. Mr. Waugh made a statement that we're discussing the motion. I said that we were discussing the amendment. I answered Mr. Waugh's question, Mr. Albas.

Mr. Waugh still has the floor, speaking to his motion.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

It just seems you're debating him rather than letting him speak to his colleagues.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm not. I am answering his questions. He's asked a question. He said, basically, that we are discussing the motion.

I was just correcting him. We were, in the moment, discussing Niki's amendment. We haven't finished that; it hasn't come to a vote.

Mr. Waugh brought a question of privilege, which I thought superseded everything. That's why I went to him. We left Niki's motion to be debated later on because Mr. Waugh has precedence. That's what I just did.

Now, if you have a problem with that, I would like to hear it.

Does Mr. Waugh not have the floor?

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Again, I've never seen a chair debate with a member.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm not debating.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

It's either in order and he can have the floor, or it's not.

An hon. member

It's out of order.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm not debating with him. He made a statement. I said that we're not discussing the motion.

When we left off, when Mr. Waugh made his question of privilege, I said we had been discussing.... I was just saying that we had been....

That is a fact. That is what is on the table.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

I'd like to be able to speak after he's done.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Absolutely.

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

My understanding is that the motion of privilege is inadmissible. I'm just wondering whether you have ruled it to be inadmissible. Is it admissible or not? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I would like to hear why Mr. Waugh thinks his privilege was violated. I can't rule unless I hear that he has a compelling reason to say that his privilege was violated. I'm trying to get to that, except we keep having points of order and keep not letting Mr. Waugh speak.

Mr. Waugh, will you continue, please?

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

I will say this, Madam Chair: Thank you. You acknowledge that Mr. Coteau really shouldn't have had the floor.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I did not acknowledge [Inaudible—Editor].

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

Well, he probably shouldn't have had the floor because Mr.—

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Well, you think you probably know.

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

I would have said the same thing if I had the floor.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

Right? You should have had the floor from May 9.

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

If we rewind back to there, I would do the same thing.

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

Just make a ruling, Madam Chair.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

This is not what we're discussing, Kevin. Come on. Tell me about your question of privilege.

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

No, that's it. I just wanted to bring this up. I just thought—

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

Stop them and make a ruling. Let's vote.