Canadian Heritage Committee on Dec. 11th, 2024

[Jamil Jivani, Conservative, Durham, ON]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Marcoux, I have another question for you.

Just to give you some context, for the last couple of meetings, we've heard some rather bizarre ideas from Ms. Fry, today suggesting that freedom of expression is irrelevant to democracy and suggesting in our last meeting that freedom of expression is irrelevant to the expansion of the federal bureaucracy and the administrative state.

I want to focus on that because I think it's important that we speak to the concerns of Canadians. It sounds to me, Mr. Marcoux, that you are concerned about—

[Hedy Fry, Liberal, Vancouver Centre, BC]

I have a question of privilege, Mr. Chair.

[The Vice-Chair, Bloc, Martin Champoux]

Dr. Fry, is this a point of order or a point of privilege?

[Jamil Jivani, Conservative, Durham, ON]

Oh, that was a little longer than I expected.

[Hedy Fry, Liberal, Vancouver Centre, BC]

It's a question of privilege. Thank you very much.

[The Vice-Chair, Bloc, Martin Champoux]

Go ahead.

[Hedy Fry, Liberal, Vancouver Centre, BC]

I am prepared to have the Conservatives disagree with what I say and do. I have not, for the last few meetings.... I was chairing. I was not asking questions of people.

[Damien Kurek, Conservative, Battle River—Crowfoot, AB]

I have a point of order.

[Hedy Fry, Liberal, Vancouver Centre, BC]

Please get a sense that I am being misquoted here and misrepresented. My privilege as a parliamentarian has been sullied and I would like the member to apologize for misinterpreting and misspeaking about everything I've said so far today.

Thank you.

[The Vice-Chair, Bloc, Martin Champoux]

Mr. Jivani—

[Damien Kurek, Conservative, Battle River—Crowfoot, AB]

I have a point of order.

[The Vice-Chair, Bloc, Martin Champoux]

Mr. Jivani, Dr. Fry is making a point. You've interpreted her words loosely, because—

[Jamil Jivani, Conservative, Durham, ON]

No, I'm not going to be apologizing.

Maybe Ms. Fry forgot, but these are recorded meetings, so there's video of her saying the outrageous things that I made reference to. She could go back and look at the video if she'd like. I don't have the memory of a goldfish. I remember what happened on Monday.

Okay, if I can go back now, Mr. Marcoux—

[The Vice-Chair, Bloc, Martin Champoux]

Mr. Jivani, we're going to pause there.

Before you continue with your time, I'm going to suspend the meeting for a few minutes to confer with the clerk.

[The Vice-Chair, Bloc, Martin Champoux]

We will resume where we left off with Mr. Jivani.

Mr. Jivani, we aren't able to review what was previously said—

[Joël Godin, Conservative, Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC]

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

[The Vice-Chair, Bloc, Martin Champoux]

Would you please let me finish?

We will resume the meeting, and I would ask you to pay attention to your interpretation of what other committee members are saying.

We'll get to the rest of your time, Mr. Jivani.

Mr. Godin, you have a point of order.

[Joël Godin, Conservative, Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm not a regular member of this committee, but I heard the usual chair say that my colleague is a liar. We can review that segment. It was said a few minutes ago, unless the interpretation wasn't accurate. I think it's unacceptable—

[The Vice-Chair, Bloc, Martin Champoux]

I didn't hear anyone say anything about a lie.

That is verging on debate, and I just ruled on that. At this time, we can't go back and listen to what was said.

[Joël Godin, Conservative, Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC]

Mr. Chair, I'll finish what I wanted to say.

I think it's important to make sure that nobody is calling anyone else a liar.

[The Vice-Chair, Bloc, Martin Champoux]

You're right, and I would remind everyone to use respectful language with their colleagues.

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

I have a point of order—

[Damien Kurek, Conservative, Battle River—Crowfoot, AB]

I have a point of order—

[Hedy Fry, Liberal, Vancouver Centre, BC]

I have a point of order—

[The Vice-Chair, Bloc, Martin Champoux]

We have a point of order from Mr. Kurek and a point of order from Dr. Fry.

Mr. Kurek, you have the floor.