That's fine, Mr. Menzies.
Independent production, which is what we're trying to protect by regulatory means, is declining. That has been a concern for the industry for some time. It represents 31% of the $9.5 billion you mentioned, compared to production services, which are provided by foreign undertakings that produce in Canada and buy services, such as visual effects.
However, independent production, strictly speaking, is in decline. So it's false to say that the audiovisual industry is doing well in Canada. If we break down and look at the numbers, it seems quite clear this is an industry that could use a little protection from us.
I simply wanted to clarify that point because I thought the overall figure looked good, but the details sometimes reveal minor surprises that slightly misrepresent the actual situation.
Mr. Payette, I'm coming back to you because there's something very troubling here that I think is interfering in our discussion of Bill C‑11, and I'm referring to the issue of content generated by users. Earlier Ms. Fortier mentioned our fear about this.
What do you have to say to creators who earn a living by sharing content online, the digital-first creators, to win their support for the bill? What would you say to convince them that the bill isn't harmful, that it doesn't threaten them and, on the contrary, could help them?