Canadian Heritage Committee on June 2nd, 2022

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Yes, Mr. Perkins.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

Madam Chair, it was clear—if you suspend and ask the clerk to look at the blues or look at the record—that you had ruled my subamendment in order and that the debate, led by me, had started.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Mr. Perkins, if you recall, I said that I would like to look at your subamendment to see if it was in order. I did not get it from the clerk until she sent it to everyone. We did not decide on anything, because you and your colleagues said you had not received the amendment.

As soon as everyone received it, points of order were raised from the floor, so you did not begin debate, Mr. Perkins.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

Madam Chair, again—I challenged you on this before—I had begun. You ruled it in order. I had begun debate and I was well into it. There were three points of order from members saying that they were going to introduce their amendments after I had started the debate, which was after you ruled that my subamendment was in order.

I had begun my explanation of it when I was interrupted by three of the committee members on points of information, which were points of order—

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

All right.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

Give me a moment, please. If I could finish.... We all had the motion. It had been sent to all of us. You confirmed that with all of us. You asked me and Mr. Kmiec if we had it. You had it. You ruled it in order.

You asked me to begin debate on my subamendment. I began that, so I had the floor and there were interruptions of points of order that weren't points of order.

Your ruling that we hadn't started debate is incorrect.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

My ruling may not be incorrect, I—

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

I wish you would look to the clerk and at the blues.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

I would like to finish speaking, Mr. Perkins.

There is a real problem here. I can only begin two words in a sentence before I am cut off.

I would like to ask the clerk to tell me if debate had begun. I do not have the blues in front of me and I cannot see exactly what happened.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

You have the ability, Madam Chair—it's Mr. Perkins—

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

I am asking the clerk right now.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

— to suspend and ask the clerk about that. I would ask you to do so.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

I do not have to suspend to do that. The clerk is about to answer me.

[Alexie Labelle]

I do not have the blues in front of me, either.

The only thing I would advise is that there was a challenge to your ruling. From what I understand, you accepted that challenge to your ruling. If you accept the challenge, it is non-debatable, so technically, we should go to a vote on the challenge of your decision. Once that is resolved, you can move forward.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Thank you, Clerk.

Mr. Housefather—

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

I have a point of clarification, so that I can follow that ruling.

I also challenged the chair, but which challenge is the clerk talking about? Is this the one from—

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

The first challenge—

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

—Mr. Horsefeather, the Liberal member of Parliament who's challenging the chair of this committee?

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

That was the first challenge.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

We're voting on whether to accept the Liberal member of Parliament's challenge to the chair of the heritage committee's ruling.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Yes.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

This is the clarification I'm seeking. I'd like to know whether it's my challenge of the chair or the challenge of the Liberal member of Parliament. I believe Mr. Horsefeather challenged the chair's ruling—Horsefather. I'm sorry.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Excuse me, I would like—

[Anthony Housefather, Liberal, Mount Royal, QC]

With respect, could the member could get my name right?

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

I apologize, Mr. Housefather.