Evidence of meeting #41 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was players.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Justin Vaive  Procedural Clerk
Glen McCurdie  As an Individual
Scott Smith  President and Chief Operating Officer, Hockey Canada
Brian Cairo  Chief Financial Officer, Hockey Canada
Dan MacKenzie  President, Canadian Hockey League
Gilles Courteau  Commissioner, Ligue de Hockey Junior Majeur du Québec
David Branch  Commissioner, Ontario Hockey League
Dave Andrews  Chair, Hockey Canada Foundation, Hockey Canada
Tom Renney  Chief Executive Officer (Retired), Hockey Canada
Ron Robison  Commissioner, Western Hockey League
Barry F. Lorenzetti  Founder, President and Chief Executive Officer, BFL Canada

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Okay. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Can the clerk confirm that. Thank you.

July 27th, 2022 / 1:45 p.m.

Procedural Clerk

Justin Vaive

I can confirm that we have received them. Both pieces have been sent to translation. Upon receipt of the translation they'll be distributed to the members of the committee.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you, John. That's the end of your round. You have six seconds. Do you want to make a quick statement or whatever?

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Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'd reiterate what I said earlier in the meeting. I believe there is a time, and now is the time for new leadership.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you very much.

We now go to Chris Bittle for the Liberals for five minutes.

Chris.

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Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

I'm going to ask a couple of quick questions and then split my time with Mr. Maloney.

Mr. Branch, you mentioned an app for reporting incidents at the OHL. Has any player ever reported an incident through the app where you then followed up with an investigation?

1:45 p.m.

Commissioner, Ontario Hockey League

David Branch

First of all, they have. I can give you an example from this past year that you may be familiar with. A player reported a concern of racial abuse to our director of CDI, Mr. Rico Phillips. That was a new position we put in place two years ago. We conducted an independent investigation, and the person who was alleged to have made certain remarks was expelled from our league.

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Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

Thank you.

Mr. Smith, it states in the action plan, under the expanded application of the code of conduct, that “failure to cooperate in an investigation could mean never wearing a Hockey Canada jersey—ever”. But with respect to earlier comments, you said that those who do not co-operate “will” not be able to participate. What's the discrepancy there between the action plan and your comments?

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President and Chief Operating Officer, Hockey Canada

Scott Smith

If a player fails to participate in an investigation of the nature that we're talking about, they will be expelled from any and all Hockey Canada activity.

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Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

Just to confirm, regardless of their talent, whether they're a generational talent or not, that will apply equally to all players.

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President and Chief Operating Officer, Hockey Canada

Scott Smith

To confirm: If a player fails to participate in an investigation of the nature that we've been discussing for a period of time now, they will be prevented from participating in hockey programs.

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Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

Thank you very much.

I'll turn my time over to Mr. Maloney.

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Liberal

James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

Thank you, Mr. Bittle. I appreciate your sharing your time.

I have just a couple of quick questions, gentlemen.

First, if my memory serves me, in June there was discussion about an NHL investigation into the events from 2018. What's the status of that? Do we know?

1:50 p.m.

President and Chief Operating Officer, Hockey Canada

Scott Smith

My awareness of the NHL investigation is that it's ongoing. I'm not privy to the details of the status.

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Liberal

James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

Thank you.

My second series of questions is about the equity fund. My understanding is that the fund was created in 1989. It's been used 20 times to settle civil lawsuits. Nine of those cases involved allegations of sexual misconduct. The other 11 cases had no allegations of sexual misconduct. They're claims of another nature. Is that correct?

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Chief Financial Officer, Hockey Canada

Brian Cairo

Yes. That is correct.

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Liberal

James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

Without getting into too many particulars, what is the nature of those claims? I guess what I'm really asking is whether this fund was created as a form of self-insurance because you didn't have coverage or you chose from a business perspective to self-insure.

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Chief Financial Officer, Hockey Canada

Brian Cairo

It was a self-insurance fund when it did start, so yes, there is a form of that.

To answer your question about the nature of injuries, one particular injury was a plaintiff who suffered a catastrophic injury in a WHL game and became a quadriplegic. Basically, he endured 40 years until he passed just this very year.

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Liberal

James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

Okay. Thank you.

Are the monies from that fund used for any purposes other than legal claims?

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Chief Financial Officer, Hockey Canada

Brian Cairo

The money from the equity fund is used to fund our insurance premiums.

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Liberal

James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

So it's solely for legal purposes. But on the claim you're talking about with the individual who suffered catastrophic injuries, was there a civil action arising from that?

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Chief Financial Officer, Hockey Canada

Brian Cairo

I think Ron Robison would be best to answer that. It happened way back in the early eighties, I believe, so I'm not familiar with it.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Go ahead, Mr. Robison.

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Commissioner, Western Hockey League

Ron Robison

Could you repeat the question, please?