I'm open to discussion, Mr. Julian. As I said earlier, there are a lot of programs for those media outlets. I mentioned the Canada media fund, for example, which greatly benefits small media outlets. Consequently, they are much less interested in Bill C‑18, even though some have an interest in it.
Many people have told me we should guarantee the survival of other existing programs because that's what's important for them. So we'll make sure we keep those programs in place because they benefit the small players.
I'd like to mention one final thing, Mr. Julian. Collective bargaining, with which you're very familiar, confers an enormous amount of power on those who are concerned by Bill C‑18 and who can join forces to negotiate with the major media.