I don't really feel I'd be comfortable trying to talk about culture. There's the old saying, “Culture eats policy for breakfast”, so I don't want to ignore it in any sense.
What I was trying to say in the passage you referred to was that I feel that people were doing their best as they saw it at the time. With the benefit of hindsight some of the [Technical difficulty—Editor] wrong and the approach to governance needed to be made more robust.