Evidence of meeting #91 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
A recording is available from Parliament.
9:55 a.m.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
Madam Chair, the difference is this. Mr. Champoux put his motion at a business meeting. He brought it forward for discussion and said that he wished to, and then he agreed to allow it to subside for a time and to then bring it forward by moving it.
Madam Chair, my motion is already tabled. I am not tabling it today. I am moving it today and I have the right to do that in between clause 1 and clause 2, and it now takes precedence at this meeting.
9:55 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Indeed, I think that to go by the book, Mrs. Thomas does have the right to move it between clause 1 and clause 2.
I do want to ask, though, that we try to not be disruptive.
9:55 a.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
On a point of order, Madam Chair, I find it remarkable that Mrs. Thomas would say—and I quote—“You're ridiculous” to the chair. It is unbecoming of a parliamentarian, and I would ask that Mrs. Thomas apologize to the chair so that we may continue with committee business.
9:55 a.m.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
Madam Chair, I apologize for saying that you are ridiculous. What I find offensive, though, is that you are not following the rules that are prescribed by the green book. I would ask that you as chair would maintain order in this committee by following those rules.
9:55 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Mrs. Thomas, if you were listening you would have heard that I said that you can move your motion, but you obviously weren't listening because you were prepared to just carry your fight.
Mrs. Thomas is allowed to move this. I am hoping we can appeal to her to just let us finish clause 2. That's all we have to do, and then we will just get this bill off the table.
10 a.m.
Bloc
Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC
Madam Chair, we can continue to debate the relevance of Ms. Thomas' motion until the end of the meeting.
I find it inappropriate to interrupt a process that is proceeding at a good speed. We would have plenty of time to start discussing her motion immediately afterwards. We could finish studying Bill S‑202, thank our guests and move on.
I think it would be respectful of the process, respectful of the committee and respectful of the people who have come here today to debate this if Ms. Thomas would agree to suspend the meeting for a few minutes while we finish passing this bill. That would take three minutes.
10 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Mr. Champoux, according to the rules...and I think I want to go by the rules. I've always tried to follow the rules as a chair, because committees are rules-based organizations or institutions, or whatever you want to call them.
Unless someone moves to adjourn the debate, we'll have to allow the debate to happen.
10 a.m.
Bloc
Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC
Madam Chair, I simply ask that Ms. Thomas show good judgment and respect for the work of this committee and our guests, and that she consider postponing discussion of her motion until later.
It won't take very long, about three minutes. That would be the right thing to do.
10 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Mr. Champoux, I actually appealed to Mrs. Thomas to do that and she has refused, so basically—
I have Ms. Hepfner.
10 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Thank you, Ms. Hepfner.
I have to move to the vote on the motion to adjourn debate.
10 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Thank you.
You want us to call the vote, Mrs. Thomas, or are you prepared to accept it as is?
10 a.m.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
If you ask the clerk to explain what a recorded vote means....
10 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
We're going to do a recorded division just to be clear on this.
(Motion agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)
October 5th, 2023 / 10 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
The motion to adjourn debate is carried. We shall move now back to Bill S-202.
Shall clause 2 carry?
(Clause 2 agreed to)
Shall the title carry?
10 a.m.
Some hon. members
Agreed.
10 a.m.
Some hon. members
Agreed.
