Evidence of meeting #93 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cbc.
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October 24th, 2023 / 11:35 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Mr. Julian, in many ways, I agree with you, because the bit about asking Ms. Tait to come and to appear for two hours was not in your amendment. The subamendment is now adding something that's completely different.
Anyway, we are noting this.
Go ahead, Ms. Gladu.
Conservative
Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON
On the same point of order, the other difference is that two other representatives from the CBC are being asked to appear for an hour and half each. That is different from what was in the amendment.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
I was going to simply say two things.
One is that I agree with Mr. Julian. I don't believe that it is in order. If it is in order, and we are indeed in this room with everyone having their views, perhaps we can move to a vote quickly and just see where we land on it and keep moving, because we have lots of important work to do.
Liberal
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
If that is a way we can get to a vote on this important subamendment, it would be helpful.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
That's dilatory, so we can't debate it. Sorry.
Are you asking for a vote on this?
Go ahead, Mrs. Thomas.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
I have a point of order.
Currently right now, we are discussing a point of order that was raised by Mr. Julian. You cannot move a motion on a point of order.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
I don't know if you actually moved a motion, Mr. Noormohamed. We're you asking that we go to vote?
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
No, it was not, Madam Chair. My comment was simply that the subamendment was out of order. That's my opinion. You are the chair. You get to decide these things, of course. Given the important work that the committee has, my request, or suggestion, to the committee was simply that we get on with the business if we know where we stand on this.
It was not, by any means, a motion. It was just a suggestion in the spirit of keeping the committee moving forward.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
All right. I shall actually rule that the subamendment is out of order, and therefore we can just move on.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
I have a point of order. I would ask for the chair to justify her ruling.
Look, Madam Chair, if I may, we had an amendment that asked for the CBC to be the only focus of the study. The chair then permitted an amendment to be brought forward to that original motion that expanded it to big tech, Meta, and Facebook. Then there is a subamendment that simply respects that massive expansion, and asks that an additional third CBC witness be brought forward. You already have two, and you're adding one. Does the addition of a third CBC witness now somehow make it out of line?
I would ask for the section in the green book, the Standing Orders, that would confirm the chair's ruling.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
I have a point of order, Madam Chair.
I'm just curious if Mrs. Thomas is challenging the ruling of the chair. If so, could we perhaps see what the will of the committee is and move forward?
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
I'm simply asking the chair to be respectful of this committee and give us the benefit of the reason for her ruling.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Ms. Thomas, it's fair enough for you to ask me to explain why I'm making the ruling, but I think the little drive-by thing that basically says to respect the committee.... I don't think these things are very.... When we have a meeting, we should be respectful of each other. You're presuming to know what I'm doing and what I'm saying, so please don't presume my intent. Thank you.
Conservative
Conservative