Evidence of meeting #19 for COVID-19 Pandemic in the 43rd Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Patty Hajdu  Minister of Health
Carla Qualtrough  Minister of Employment, Workforce Development and Disability Inclusion
Joyce Murray  Minister of Digital Government
Maryam Monsef  Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Rural Economic Development
Bardish Chagger  Minister of Diversity and Inclusion and Youth
Marco Mendicino  Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship
Dan Vandal  Minister of Northern Affairs
Mona Fortier  Minister of Middle Class Prosperity and Associate Minister of Finance
Mary Ng  Minister of Small Business and Export Promotion
Marie-Claude Bibeau  Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Bill Blair  Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Carolyn Bennett  Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations
Jonathan Wilkinson  Minister of Environment and Climate Change
Catherine McKenna  Minister of Infrastructure and Communities
Harjit S. Sajjan  Minister of National Defence
Steven Guilbeault  Minister of Canadian Heritage
Ahmed Hussen  Minister of Families, Children and Social Development
Marc Garneau  Minister of Transport

The Chair Liberal Anthony Rota

We'll go back to Mr. Falk.

2:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Does the Prime Minister actually believe that COVID-19 excuses him from regular parliamentary accountability?

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Mr. Chair, for four days a week there is an hour and a half of questions. We have nine committees working and being able to ask questions on anything. We are going to meet four times—

The Chair Liberal Anthony Rota

We're going to go back to Mr. Falk.

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

The Prime Minister doesn't seem to respect our parliamentary system. That seems to be in line with his stated admiration of China's basic dictatorship.

Speaking of being above the rules, is it true that the Prime Minister has been found guilty of contravening federal ethics laws?

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Mr. Chair, I do not see where my colleague wants to go with this.

One thing is clear: every day, the current system allows members of Parliament from across the country, including via videoconference, to ask questions and debate issues fundamental to Canadians. That is what we call democracy.

2:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Is it true that no other sitting Prime Minister has ever been found guilty of breaking ethics laws?

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Once again, I do not know where my colleague wants to go with this.

The important thing is we are here to debate the issues—

The Chair Liberal Anthony Rota

We will go back to Mr. Falk.

2:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

It is true that he has been found guilty. In fact, he's been found guilty twice. Well, Mr. Trudeau promised to do things differently, and I guess that is one promise that he has kept.

During this time of COVID-19 Prime Minister Trudeau said, “Go home and stay home. This is what we all need to be doing and we're going to make sure it happens.” Did the Prime Minister really say that?

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Mr. Chair, we're gathered here to debate important topics. We're in the middle of a pandemic. We're suggesting solutions to help Canadians, to help our businesses, to help people across the country to move forward and go through this.

2:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Did the Prime Minister disregard not only provincial regulations but his own directives when he crossed provincial boundaries for his weekend trip to the Quebec cottage?

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Mr. Chair, once again it allows me to say how important the work we're doing here is for all Canadians. I am so happy to stand up here to answer all the questions from the opposition. I'm having fun. Thank you.

2:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

I guess the answer to that question is “yes”.

For months, Prime Minister Trudeau has been telling us to listen to public health experts and not gather in large groups. Canadians have listened. They have not visited their dying loved ones and they haven't gone to funerals and they haven't gone to church, and now Prime Minister Trudeau has decided to that he can violate his own directives and attend a mass gathering of over 7,000 young people in Ottawa.

Can the Prime Minister tell us why once again the rules don't apply to him?

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Mr. Chair, it is important to know that public health guidelines tell us to keep at a certain distance and to follow a whole series of other factors. The Conservatives' solution would mean that there would be a lot of people here and that we would not be observing public health guidelines. At the same time, we would have no questions from a great number of members who would not be able to participate, because the whips choose who is here or not. We want everyone to be able to participate.

The Chair Liberal Anthony Rota

That is all for today.

This meeting is adjourned.