How do we [Technical difficulty—Editor] members of the propane and [Technical difficulty—Editor] pipelines? How do we take something that's become unchecked populistic, where politicians use pipelines as a battering ram to basically say, “Hey, I'm an environmentalist; I'm against pipelines,” even though they're actually doing more harm to the environment. You can see the example right now. We're going to throw stuff on rail and trucks instead of sending it through a pipeline.
How do we depoliticalize it? How do we actually get back to science and regulators making decisions on whether pipelines should go forward or not?