We think about it often as a ladder of engagement. There are always different rungs on that ladder, so as much as possible you have different strategies for the level of engagement or disengagement that you're working with.
Going through a lot of creative centres, often we find artists and young people involved with different creative organizations, or agencies that are passionate about certain things, or use art to voice different concerns or ideas they have, but maybe they're not using the system—and by the system I mean our democratic process—to be heard as well.
They tend to be not necessarily marginalized but disengaged within the system. I think that's actually something we talk about quite a lot, because our name, Apathy is Boring, can be confusing. We're not saying that youth are apathetic, they're simply not choosing the current system to have their voices heard. They're using alternative forums. Going to those alternative places where they're voicing their concerns is how we reach them.