So in terms of the year 2010 or 2012, from the view of an energy economy modeller who feels he understands the inertia in these systems, today, in 2006, a year like 2010 or 2012 is meaningless to me in terms of targets. The uncertainty in trying to do anything between now and then seems incredible to me, that one would even do that. That's why after about 1999 I really stopped talking about Kyoto, except when the media would ask me and I would say, “Well, it's getting more expensive every day, and even then I don't see how you would actually do it.”
So you're maybe raising issues of how Canada would approach the challenge of the short term with the long term. But what I can say in terms of the long term--